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Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by mrz1988 » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:07 pm

The Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend is a super-hot chinense strain with genetics from Trinidad. They are very similar to the 7 pot 'Brain Strain' but also appear to have some scorpion genetics (hence the tail). The seeds I got were from Fatalii, and it seems that the genetics are still a bit unstable. The plants are long-season and can grow up to a meter but are not very heavy producers. Germination time is around 20 days.

The pods generally ripen from a green to a bright red and have a bumpy, textured surface. Pods ripen top-down like most Caribbean chinenses and can turn shades of light orange before finishing at their final red color. Most are 2-4 lobed and and have a scorpion-like protrusion at the base of the pod that can vary in size and shape. Some have the traditional scorpion tail, but the majority seem to have a brain-like structure on the underside of the pod. The pods are thin-walled with a light colored membrane surrounding the inside walls, producing large amounts of capsaicinoid oils. They have a light, fruity chinense flavor and are intensely hot, over 1 million scovilles. They should score easily in the top 5 hottest strains in the world, but I am unaware of any formal testing done on these pods. They are a really cool-looking strain and a must try for those who can't get it hot enough!

These pods are all from one plant, although I plan on posting more pictures of pods from the other plant as well as the plants themselves once I get them up. Cheers.

~Edited out some of my speculation about the origins of TSMB genetics, added new pics~

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by beltwang » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:53 am

I tried my first ripe Morouga yesterday.Very chemically tasting and EXTREAMLY HOT, slow builder but the burn lasted for ages.
The hottest pod I've ever tried,Way hotter than a Bhut/Naga.

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by POTAWIE » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:01 pm

I don't think its a hybrid. It is very similar in appearance to the brain-strain but it was not crossed with it. I'm quite sure it originated from a source in Trinidad in the eastern Morouga/Moruga region who asked for people to call it Morouga blend so he could track the progress. Pods seem to be very stable and consistant in shape

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by mrz1988 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:39 pm

POTAWIE wrote:I don't think its a hybrid. It is very similar in appearance to the brain-strain but it was not crossed with it. I'm quite sure it originated from a source in Trinidad in the eastern Morouga/Moruga region who asked for people to call it Morouga blend so he could track the progress. Pods seem to be very stable and consistant in shape

I gotta find it but there's a guy on thehotpepper forums that claims to be the originator of the strain. I think he's a relatively well-known breeder and bred one of the three or four different douglah varieties as well. CARDII doesn't acknowledge it as a strain from Trinidad either so I'm waiting for some confirmation one way or the other. I'll take down some of the speculation I put up there until one of us finds some more information though. Looking at the pods posted in this forum mine have a very distinct fold inward like the traditional scorpions while most others that I have seen do not have that same shape. They seem to vary in shape from the original scorpion to a bumpy 7 pot like the brain strain.

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by bluesman » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:30 am

A clip from last season; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltCbR5C6XTw

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This variety despite its ultimate heat makes a nice thick salsa with rich flavour when smoked and blended as puré with onions and garlic and some fruit such as mango or pineapple. One of my favourites. One small jar lasts quite a long time in almost everyday use.

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by POTAWIE » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:50 am

Quote from cmpman1974 at THP

"I'm the one who initially introduced it. I was gifted seeds from a friend in Tobago years ago. They were a special strain CARDI was growing I heard. It's hot as hell. I always have loved this one because it's quite a producer and the plants get large. I believe it's either the same or very close genetics to the 7 Pod Brain Strain PRF grows. Too close to tell the difference. I retained the name given to me by my source.[Which likely isn't the name given by CARDI]

Chris


Chris has since mentioned that the brain strains are a bit different and hotter

As for the 3 or 4 douglah varieties, I've grown douglahs from 3 or 4 sources and they are all the same. I don't think anyone at THP bred them, and if there is more than 1 type they were likely all from the same original cross and breeder, just slightly different versions

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by POTAWIE » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:13 am

In my opinion as well as several others, the Trinidad scorpion-BT and 7 pod Brain strain are both hotter than the Douglah. Scorpion-BT consistantly tested higher than douglahs grown in the same conditions/environment.
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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by mrz1988 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:17 pm

POTAWIE wrote:Quote from cmpman1974 at THP

"I'm the one who initially introduced it. I was gifted seeds from a friend in Tobago years ago. They were a special strain CARDI was growing I heard. It's hot as hell. I always have loved this one because it's quite a producer and the plants get large. I believe it's either the same or very close genetics to the 7 Pod Brain Strain PRF grows. Too close to tell the difference. I retained the name given to me by my source.[Which likely isn't the name given by CARDI]

Chris


Chris has since mentioned that the brain strains are a bit different and hotter

As for the 3 or 4 douglah varieties, I've grown douglahs from 3 or 4 sources and they are all the same. I don't think anyone at THP bred them, and if there is more than 1 type they were likely all from the same original cross and breeder, just slightly different versions

Thanks for this. As for the douglah I haven't grown them yet so I can't attest to the heat compared to the TSMB, but I have seen at least two varieties. One is a very bumpy elongated brown pod, the other is less elongated and turns a deep maroon rather than brown. The former is the one everyone knows but I've seen a few people sporting the maroon variety which may just be a strain that was improperly marked. Just got my douglah seeds in the mail for next year so I'll be sure to do a comparison when they grow.





Bluesman--- man those are some nice looking plants. Yours podded up reall nice. I watched your video a week or two ago and got a great kick out of it. You're a funny man.

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by POTAWIE » Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:54 pm

You may be right but all my douglahs go from green to brown to redish brown if left long enough. The bumps and spikes only seem to appear in hotter or more stressfull conditions. My greenhouse douglahs and 7 pods are always a lot more bumpy and pitted while regular outdoor plants have smooth pods. Many people think I'm growing 2 different douglah varieties, but in my opinion its just environmental conditions and stress affectting the pod shape. Even my douglah crosses/hybrids show bumps and spikes only in the greenhouse or during mid-summer heat.
The pods should ripen to a red-brown color. The word douglah apparently has to do with an inter-racial union between a white skinned person and an indian(red skinned )

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by POTAWIE » Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:07 pm

Link isn't working
I'd say douglahs are in the top 10 but I think scorpion-BT, brain strain 7 pods, and even the regular red 7 pod pods are a fair bit hotter. This is from my personal experience as well as HPLC tests done on plants growing side by side in the same conditions/environment. The 1.6 million SHU results for nagas was totally flawed which is why people now always want a second test for verification. They did not even use dried samples as required.
Neil at hippy seed company has reinforced what I've been saying for years, that the scorpion-BT is the hottest thing he (or I) have ever tried but I already know several sources in the process of crossing scorpions and 7 pods so its only a matter of time before there is something hotter

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by mrz1988 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:22 pm

Added some new pics today of some of my later season pods from the stunted plant. Still pretty oily and hot inside despite lacking the same wrinkled appearance as my early season pods. Seems better, more consistent growing conditions yield spikier pods? (I haven't been feeding in a while and my plants are starting to get pissed at me. Poor little guys.)

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by mrz1988 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:03 am

mattydeakin wrote:
POTAWIE wrote:Also look at the difference between highs and lows, quite extreme.
I bought this up in many a recent discussion. The mean average of these pods is 1.2m SHU. This is the number we should be looking at. Yeah the high was 2m SHU but the low was 500,000 SHU. Paul Bosland also specialises in stressing plants to produce hotter pods. So bewars when buying seeds for a so called 2m SHU chilli because you can bet your bottom dollar that the peppers grown in your garden will not reach that. Especially in UK climate. :roll:
There were four samples of 25 pods each taken from one different plant of the CPI crop of TSMBs. So four plants, 25 pods per plant, each plant making one sample. The samples were dried, ground, mixed, and parts of each sample were sent to two different labs. Then a third test was done on each using the CPI HPLC testing. The 2M number came from the highest lab value from the hottest plant of the sample.

These results will be very difficult to replicate in following seasons and I think you'll find that no one can conclusively say what the hottest pepper in the world is without MUCH more data.

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by Paul79 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:02 pm

I think this belongs in here:

TS Morouga

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Okay so this is a decent sized pod, I know this was going to hurt I did contemplate the suggestion from Louise about trying it with some food but I had nothing prepared, so I thought lets just crack on with it. That was a mistake. I tried this pod well over an hour ago, I'm thinking its more like an hour and a half.... Not entirely sure now. It's a Capsaicin Chinense hailing from Trinidad. From what I've read and seen the plant normally growing to around a meter to a meter and a half in height, they normally produce a good crop too, however I've not grown this variety myself.

Here is the pod cut open:
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The pod when opened didn't have the most pungent of aromas which surprised me in all honesty. These superhots normally give off quite the aroma but this was fairly mild. It had been in the Fridge since yesterday morning and was still fresh as a daisy. In terms of capsaicin oil, it had a few decent sized deposits in there, I again attempted to remove some seed for the usual purposes.

Now last year I had the TS Morouga Yellow I believe, I remember that being a very tasty pod but didn't pack a lot of punch in comparison with other pods I had eaten around the same time.

Both halves went into my mouth and I began to chew. There wasn't much crunch to this, nor was there much juice in the walls either. It did have a very subtle sweetness to it and a strange mix of floral and fruity flavour coming through. It was quite a nice taste, just unusual but it complimented each other rather than it being unwelcome.

While still chewing the heat had already begun to build on the tongue and lips, again this was surprising, for some reason I hadn't expected it to build quite so quickly. As the pod was a fairly decent size, I wanted to get it down quickly due to the heat building. Every chew produced this mix of floral and fruity taste which made it as I said quite pleasant but I'd have to say the Yellow Morouga from last year had a better overall taste.

Managed to get the pod down, took around 45-50 seconds and I've already got tears in my eyes, my tongue is burning quite fiercely already and my lips are really starting to sting, interesting! As I'm approaching the minute and a half stage I've got a fairly good sweat on, my eyes are both starting to water quite excessively and saliva is building. At this stage my nose feels a little runny but nothing more.

A little past two minutes and you'd think I was sitting in a sauna. Literally pouring with sweat, eyes are full stream, saliva by the bucket load and my nose is running, I actually look a mess.

The heat on my tongue, top, sides, back to front is ablaze, it's not aggressive, it's just hot, really hot. My lips feel a little swollen already and are stinging quite painfully. I've decided enough is enough and begin to gulp down a pint of milk, absolutely no respite whatsoever.

As I'm pouring a second glass, I start getting pins and needles in my feet and legs, so I take a seat. Breathing in and out of my mouth is causing more and more discomfort, It feels like I'm stripping my tongue, the burn is spreading to the roof of the mouth and back of the throat, it's getting quite painful in my mouth at this stage.

I gulp the partial glass I managed to pour but it doesn't appear to stop the burning. My tongue feels like it's literally in hell itself, my lips have definitely swollen, who needs collagen, just use chillies. The tingling has moved into my arms and hands now. I'm resting my head on a tea towel on the table.

Trying to talk is painful, any air passing over the tongue just seems to agitate the tongue, my throat feels like I've got a flame stuck there, my lips are sore and I look like I've taken a shower fully clothed.

I honestly don't know how long a remained in that position but it was quite a while, certainly plus 25 mins. Although the heat had peaked at some stage, the burn stays with you for some time, it really is a lingerer. Even after an hour I still felt a slight tingling on my lips. This also caused me to be a little light headed, almost spaced out for a while, I ended up flaking on the couch almost zombie like till I managed to regroup.

Highlights of the pepper was the unique floral/fruity combo that came through with each bite. Although I wouldn't rate it in my top 5 this year, its still got a good taste to it and for those who love the hotter end of the scale, its worth growing.
Uses, powders, flakes, sauces and cooking if used in moderation. This is not family friendly or raw eating friendly.

While not aggressive in the way it burns, its hot, damn hot, dare I say it, one of the hottest I've tried. It killed my tongue, literally felt like I had lost a couple of layers, it caused a little swelling of the tongue but definitely made the lips swell. It also caused some considerable discomfort in and around the gums where bits of pod had stuck. The throat also feels a little raw after it and although I've never used a Sauna, I'd imagine that's what it might feel like after eating the pod.

Cheers David, I think.

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by ChilliJez » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:15 pm

Great review as always Paul.

You set me searching and I came upon this that has a bunch of information.

http://thepepperseed.com/peppers/trinid ... li-pepper/

The reason I went searching is because of the names and possible naming confusion. Trinidad Scorpion Moruga, Trinidad Moruga Scorpion, Trinidad Scorpion Moruga Blend..

I noticed that you tried a TS Moruga Yellow. I'm not aware that variety and I think it may have been Moruga Yellow.

At one point when I was looking after the seed bank Otis donated some seeds including Moruga Yellow. I made the incorrect assumption that Moruga was a shortening of Trinidad Scorpion Moruga and listed it as that. I later found out that I was wrong. Moruga is a locality in Trinidad and the peppers Moruga Yellow and Moruga Red have no direct connection with TS Moruga Blend other than origin.

Or at least that's my understanding! I may be wrong! :roll:

I love Moruga yellow. It's the right sort of hot for me (~100,000SHU) thickish fleshed crunchy, and tropical perfumed.

If anyone more expert can shed more light I'd be grateful.

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Re: Trinidad Scorpion Morouga Blend (C. Chinense)

Post by Paul79 » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:34 pm

Yes I was fairly confused with the variety I have to say, I ended up messaging David to double check what strain it was. I believe the TMS has the stinger/tail where as the TSM is more like the shape of the one I tried.
As for the Yellow Version, I think you are correct, I'll have to dig out a photo from last years grow to see what the pod looked like. Didn't pack a massive punch but I remember it being one of the tastiest peppers of the year.

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